Our production studio where I’m trying the Voice tracking, uses two M-Audio Delta 44’s.
3 Playout Decks Deck A and B come off the first Delta 44, Deck C and record comes off the 2nd Delta
I’ve obviously got something wrong somewhere I think, in the VT editor You hear the two playdeck fine and can record a VT.
When you playback the log with the songs with voicetrack between them, when the voice track fires you hear the end of the song say on deck A as normal, but you also hear the end of the song in Voice track itself, which creates almost like an echo type effect, when the second song fires, its really loud with the same echo type effect until the Voice track ends.
When you listen to the voicetrack on its own, does it also have the end of the first song and start of the second? That is, is the music being recorded at the same time as the voice? Also, is mAirList set to record from the Delta 44 record input?
To record the voicetracks on our desk I bring down the faders that mAirList uses and then PFL them. I then open the mic fader and PFL it too. This way I can monitor everything on the desk (the mic and both tracks in mAirList), and mAirList just picks up the mic from the second bus output.
I suppose you could also run the desk as normal, and then on your desk just send the mic (but not the mAirList outputs) through the desk to the Delta 44 record input.
I just have one Delta 1010LT card, and on the record channels inputs 1&2 (Stereo) are the the main mix from my mixer (everything) and then inputs 3&4 are the Sub (or PGM2 or AUX) which usually just carries the main Mic. I listen to the Main, which gives me the full mix from VT, and then the VT records just the Sub, which only has the mic.
Works a treat for me, I hear everything but the VT recorder is just the mic(s).
I’ll double check all this when I’m next in a couple of days time.
Yes the voicetrack does record the end of one, start of the other, I never thought to try PFL them
I’m not entirely sure if there is an Additional issue with the record setup from the delta, The playback decks are Direct sound, but when you select the direct sound source for the input there’s nothing, the line in only works with ASIO. Although if you look at the control panel for the delta cards it does show the record inputs are working
I’ll re-check what the config actually says when I’m in the studio
I’ll report back on here what the config settings for the cards are on Mairlist
[quote=“streamer, post:3, topic:8757”]I just have one Delta 1010LT card, and on the record channels inputs 1&2 (Stereo) are the the main mix from my mixer (everything) and then inputs 3&4 are the Sub (or PGM2 or AUX) which usually just carries the main Mic. I listen to the Main, which gives me the full mix from VT, and then the VT records just the Sub, which only has the mic.
Works a treat for me, I hear everything but the VT recorder is just the mic(s).
Hope that makes sense![/quote]
Our main on air studios use Delta 1010LT Cards, I didn’t have another spare for the production studio. I’m beginning to think using two 44 instead of another 1010 is just complicating things
Just so I’m understanding correctly are you running two sources for the Mic, one for off the desk, and a seprate one, straight from the mic into the sound card?
That’s essentially the answer to the original question:
To use VT with your mixer, you need to set up an AUX output on the mixer that only carries the microphone signal, not the music from the players. That AUX output must be connected to another line input on your soundcard, not the one used for main/master input. Then set Mic Input for VT to this line input.
[quote=“streamer, post:8, topic:8757”][quote=“station31, post:7, topic:8757”]I’ll go see if i can steal or beg a 1010LT then.
Would be also handy if all hardwares the same[/quote]
Theoretically it should work the same on the 44, I see it has 4 analog ins, so 1&2 is main stereo, and 3&4 sub stereo.[/quote]
Thats a fair point, Part of the problem is I think, there’s two 44’s in the machine in the Mairlist config utility, I’m struggling to tell which card is which, its not all that clear
Thanks Cad, going to look over this issue again on Sunday, and look at how you use the AUX channels for the mic. I did try the prefade suggestion, Faders down, PFL button down on desk Voice track still got the audio from songs either side of VT
Does mAirList use both your 44 cards? If so, does it use (for example) one card for Players and the other for Cartwall? If so, then what I suggest below should work for you.
I didn’t mean to use the DESK to check which card is which, I meant you should open mAirList Config, Audio Devices and make sure that only ONE of your cards (pick one at random) has players (or any other audio outputs, like the Cartwall) sending audio to it. When you’ve saved the Config, start mAirList and play something (anything!) using mAirList.
If, after that, it’s still not obvious which audio card is which, swap the connectors on the Outputs of the two cards around. and you can label the back of the PC so you know which card is which in mAirList Config., which is the whole point of the exercise.
This is really a cabling/routing issue, which you should ideally have sorted out before using mAirList for output on that PC.
Players A and B use the first 44 Player C and carts use the second. Things happened while I was admitted to hospital, (hence the delay in reply) maybe that should tell me something :), I delegated this off to another engineer, they took a look with the advice provided here. They tell me they’ve wired the aux outputs and routed the mics output through the aux into a spare input on the deltas.
I’m told it works, you only get mic audio on the VT’s now, I’ve not tested this myself yet. Looking forward to it actually.
I take your point Cad, this is all done in a spare studio for testing the configuration out first, its not been done in a broadcast studio yet, I’ll break those later when I’ve tested the VT out. I think our broadcast studios will give us the ability to VT other show at the same time as doing live ones.
Part of the problem is I think, there’s two 44’s in the machine in the Mairlist config utility, I’m struggling to tell which card is which, its not all that clear
At which point,figure out a way to mark or label the cards so you don’t have that problem next time.