ID-Tag

I once filled in ID-Tags, with another automation program (Radio Player Pro). When I place the files which include this ID, it doesn’t appear in the playlist of mAirList. Can this be adjusted in the config or should I make new ID’s for all the files ? Tnx for the help in advance.

mAirList does recognize the standard fields from ID3 tags like artist, title etc.

If that software happens to store its meta data in a special ID3 field (as mAirList does), mAirList will not be able to read the tags. There are however ways to extract the necessary information using a script.

Thanks for the quick reply.

I checked, it’s a regular ID I think, they are actually both selected: ID3v1 + 2.

If you know the answer, please let me know.

Can you send me one the files please? torben@weibert.de (pick a smaller one)

That was fast :wink:

According to Mp3tag, your file has an ID3v2.3 tag with four fiels set:

  • Artist (correctly imported by mAirList)
  • Title (correctly imported by mAirList)
  • Comment (correctly imported by mAirList)
  • Copyright (not imported by mAirList as there is no corresponding field in mAirList)

So what’s missing?

By ‘ID,’ do you mean some kind of ‘sequence number’ or ‘cart number’ or ‘unique ID’ which your other software uses to refer to tracks in some way, and maybe even renames your files with those numbers? (Software such as Myriad and many older radio playout systems do this.) If that is what you mean, mAirList doesn’t work like that: there are no ‘magic numbers,’ no ranges of ‘ID’ numbers to designate types/genres of items or jingles, no enforced renaming nor ‘importing’ of files, or any of that stuff. You just name your files sensibly (Artist - Title.MP3 is the usual format, but it’s your choice) and you take it from there.

In mAirList, the only important things to get right are the Artist and Title (and ideally Year) in your standard ID3V1 and/or ID3V2 tags in your MP3 files.

Does that help, or did I guess wrong? :smiley:

BFN
CAD

I’ve also taken a look at your file and I don’t understand where you want this “ID tag” to appear ? I can see DATA OM10 as a Comment in the IDv3, along with Artist/Title (as Torben also saw). The DATA OM10 will show up in the mAirList Playlist directly under the Artist/Title as a “comment” field - You’ll need to enable “Expand Comments” in the Playlist’ GUI options and ensure your skin.ini has a suitable font size…

Something like this would be fine:

CommentFontName=MS Sans Serif
CommentFontSize=9
CommentFontStyle=0
HistoryCommentFontName=MS Sans Serif
HistoryCommentFontSize=9
HistoryCommentFontStyle=0

If you have a specific IDv3 field that you wish to import (and log), you’ll need to set-up the Attribute Names and Values config option - There are instructions on how to do this on the forum but it may be best if you explain exactly what you want to achieve…

Actually I want all the info (Ramp or intro, mix points, fades…), which I saved with RPP, appearing in mAir.

Isn’t this the same as what ID-Tag v…does ?

M.

Only if your other automation software saves the data into the MP3 file (and not it’s own database). I couldn’t see any extra tag info within your MP3 jingle, so assume that Radio Player Pro uses it’s own format. Looking at the RPP manual, it seems that it offers some kind of database or config file.

So if I want mAir to have all the info, it has to be saved again, by mAir ?

Only this time, the fades will be different then in RPP or automated, right ?

Maybe not necessary to re-input in mAirList, but first we need to be sure WHERE your RPP cue point data is stored. Could you please post a short ‘fullyt marked up’ MP3 here (a jingle or similar would be ideal) so I can take a look at the hex contents of it to be 100% certain the data isn’t in there?

Thanks in advance.

If the data is ‘somewhere’ within an RPP database, it may be possible to ‘extract’ that, in which case a program can be written to ‘translate’ that data into the mAirList equivalent.

This is why we need to know precisely where RPP stores its cue point data.

BFN
CAD

Hey,

Here is the updated file.

If it isn’t a problem if a program has to be written to read the file, then it would be perfect.

Tnx for your time.


Summercast 001.mp3 (104 KB)

Dear MIGY,

I’ve looked in your MP3 file with a hex editor (FileAlyser from Safer Networking: http://www.safer-networking.org/en/filealyzer/index.html).

The only data stored in your MP3 (apart from the audio :D, and ‘standard’ MP3 tags) is the plain text stored in the ID3v2 tag’s comment and copyright fields:

ID3v2 Comments field contents:
DATA TV900 IS1 IL1 IV10 OS18 OL13 OM35 SL2 SV90 SM1 AS20 AV20 AD20
ID3v2 Copyright field contents:
DATA OT6

Note that these data appear ONLY in the ID3v2 tag (not the v1 tag).

My question to you now is: do any of those data look like they might be cue point times? One good thing to try would be changing ONE cue point (say, Cue In), saving a new value, then inspecting the MP3 file again to figure out what precisely has changed. Then do the same thing for ONE different cue point (say, Fade Out instead of Cue In). You may well be able to figure out the format from this alone.

If that does not help, try deleting ONE cue point then inspecting the file. What is now missing which was there before?

If the data above remains unchanged, then your cue point data is almost certainly stored somewhere else and not in the MP3 files (in this case, it will probably be in the RPP database).

I hope those ideas help.

BFN
CAD

So,

This means that it could be stored only in the RPR Database ?

Then it’s best to fill in all the info again but then in mAir.

Tnx again for all the help.

M.

Take a look in the program folder of your automation software - maybe there’s a database there. If we can see the format of the database, perhaps we can write an import script to save you a lot of work :slight_smile:

Is this what you were looking for ?


MBase.ini (905 Bytes)

No - those appear to be configuration settings. We need a file (it may be quite big) that contains the cue in/out/intro information that you’ve entered. If you find such a file, open it in Notepad to see what it contains - if you can read the format of it (ie: you can understand the time markers) then paste an example of it here.

Tried to save the database as a textfile but it was too big.

Hopefully it helps :-\


MBase 2.txt (92.6 KB)

PERHAPS. But you will not know for sure unless you try what I suggested or something like it (which HAS to be easier, right?)! Once you have tried that, you WILL know for sure whether those DATA relate to cue points, or not.

The DATA might represent replay gain information, but I don’t use that myself so I can’t be sure; they might represent cue points, but I can’t tell you for sure because I don’t have RPP here to try it.

NO! As Charlie said, we might be able to help you with a script or program to ‘transfer’ your RPP cue points into mAirList. And if those DATA do represent your RPP cue points, even better. ;D I would NOT go to the effort of re-entering cue point info. all over again in mAirList until you are SURE there is no way to extract that info. from RPP.

Can the authors of RPP tell you where and how they store cue point info? It may be worth e-mailing them to ask. :wink:

BFN
CAD

Hey,

RPP-team answered: MBase by default stores information in text-based file format.Open folder “Base” in the application Folder and you can see *.profiles in it.You can open each of them using text editor (e.g. Notepad).

That’s why I tried to open it. The result is the attachment.


1 - SUMMER.txt (9.2 KB)

2 - JINGLES.txt (1.54 KB)