I made a test tonigth. I test mix between jingles and music and unfortunatly, it failed.
By the way, I insert two WAV in the playlist : one jingle and one music. I used browser to insert them.
The jingle lapse 13 seconds.
I set the “start next” at 10 seconds and I test. The music starts after the jingle 13 seconds duration.
I set the “fade out” at 10 seconds and I test. The music starts after the 13 seconds duration.
I set the “cue out” at 10 seconds and I test. The music starts after the 13 seconds duration.
So, whatever the value I set in these 3 points (the “start next” should be logically the right one), the mix occurs at the end of the file, and not at the “start next” point…
Hello Theo and welcome!
You must ensure that mAirList is in “automation” mode for overlaps to work. As you’ve used RCS, you’ll know that there are THREE modes: Manual, Live-Assist and Automation… mAirList has TWO: Manual and Automation. In manual mode, mAirList will play each item and then stop. In Automation, it’ll play until the playlist runs out or an “Automation Break” (stop marker) is found. Unlike RCS, mAirList does not have a mode where Stop Markers are ignored.
Note for Torben: RCS Master Control, in Live-Assist, will stop at any marker and wait (they are defined link our “Linked” feature), in Automation, the playlist carries on regardless. This ensures that the music stops and waits for the presenter to do his link before an ad-break. Typically, a live DJ would use Live-Assist but put it into Automation at the end of the day - and if the overnight DJ doesn’t turn-up, there is no dead air
FadeOut is generally the preferred “out” marker - StartNext can be used for custom overlaps (like sweepers or voicetracks) or for when the song has a non-music-based ending (like clapping or a long guitar lick). CueOut is a dead-stop marker and playback will stop at that point.
Thanks Charlie for your message. It’s great.
But, there is not the answer to my question in it.
I know the two mode of mairlist and I understood that “automation” mode in mAirlist is equal to “live-assit” in RCS Master control.
I was in “Automation” mode, and I inserted 3 or 4 items in the playlist. I didn’t put any automation break. So, the playback should have been correctly play, using the “fadeout” or the “start next” or the “cue out” point.
But, it seems not to work. For reminder, with my 13 seconds jingle, I would like overlap occurs at 10 seconds (for hearing end of the jingle on the beginning of the music). But mairlist keeps overlapping at 13 s, i.e. at the end of the file…
Here is my problem.
If you’ve got another idea… ???
Yes, do not set CueOut points unless you really have to (for example, silence at end of track). Setting a CueOut can stuff things up, because mAirList will then assume you want to execute a long fade starting at FadeOut and ending at CueOut, over-riding your Global fade duration (set in config).
If you’re using StartNext, you don’t usually set a FadeOut point as well. StartNext is your ‘mix point’ and will start the next item instantly; typically you want the outgoing track to continue un-faded ‘over’ the incoming track, and ‘decay’ naturally at its end point. Alternatively, set FadeOut if you want the track to fade under the incoming track, and set it at your mix point: but DON’T also set a StartNext point.
Also, you need to make sure your Playlist Items have not individually ‘acquired’ a fade duration other than zero. If they have, change them to zero. Use the item’s Properties (in the Playlist) and look on the General tab for Fade Duration.
This will hopefully solve your problems. If not, please set up your ‘problem’ Playlist, save it as an MLP file, and post it here so we can take a quick look at it.
The path written in the playlist is not correct because these are path for my computer. You should keep the filename, but replace the path by yours.
Regarding the files, these are 2 MP2 files (quality 320Kbps), previously generated by RCS Selector, in a WAV container.
Oh !.. do you think all my mix problems should be caused by the MP2 format ? ??? I admit that I didn’t test with MP3 files… :-\
OK - I had a go, the jingle overlaps with the song nicely The StartNext on the jingle is where the record spin starts, so it mixes well with the intro of the song. I also editing the StartNext and it worked on the new position, so you appear to have a config issue. I was expecting the { } characters to perhaps some sort of effect on the overlaps as mAirList is programmed to recognise the ~ from Raduga/Zara, but they don’t seem to matter.
OK, it appears that the comma , symbol on your dB overlap thresholds were the issue. I think the German “locale” using a comma, but the English one is a full stop.
Changes made:
Full-stop instead of comma - edited via NotePad, it’s right at the top of the file
Un-ticked “Enable CueOut”
Reduced “FadeOut” to -13dB - this should give you fairly tight overlaps
New mAirList.ini is attached - let me know how you get on…
[quote=“Charlie, post:12, topic:5316”]OK, it appears that the comma , symbol on your dB overlap thresholds were the issue. I think the German “locale” using a comma, but the English one is a full stop.
Full-stop instead of comma - edited via NotePad, it’s right at the top of the file[/quote]
This probably means that the INI file will not work for Theo any more!
If you’re working with ‘Euro’ files where comma is the decimal separator, you CAN keep UK English settings BUT swap the decimal/thousands separators in Control Panel, Regional and Language Options, Customise; then change the Decimal and Digit Grouping characters (type them into the dropdown box). I had to do this when working with MIGY’s files from Radio Player Pro. Remember to change them back afterwards!
The comma/full stop ‘problem’ is not a mAirList issue, it’s a Windows-wide issue. Making the change in Control Panel will make ALL your apps. (yes, including VB and VBScript!) work in ‘Euro-decimal’ mode and then Theo’s INI fiel will work as intended on your otherwise ‘UK’ PC.
Sorry guys… The mairlist.ini doesn’t work…It works, but it doesn’t solve the problem.
The mix point is always the last seconds of the jingle instead of the point I’ve specified.
I’m very disappointed and frustrated…
It’s seems so easy and it doesn’t work on my PC. I try with comma, I try with full-stop, the result is always the same…
Pffff, I think I would give up mairlist. It has a great potential… But, there are dark area …
If you have another idea…
Remember that MLD, MLP and MLT files override ANY MMD or ID3 Tag data as these type of mAirList files store every piece of information. For instance, you could voicetrack a playlist and alter the StartNext points to match the vocal intros - but because you don’t want to ruin the original intro and outro cue points, you’d want to save the Playlist using the MLP format.
I can only suggest that you’re not setting the StartNext point correctly as we seen to have exhausted the obvious options
No, you don’t have to do that… just move the mairlist.ini file or rename it, then you can start again but you shouldn’t have to. It’s hard to see why your setup is not working - your config worked fine here
What I was saying about those playlists is that whatever cue points you set for the jingles+songs to the MMD files, the MLD/MLP/MLT playlists contain that data so will override any “normal” settings. Those 3 playlist formats are for when you want to edit cue points to create custom overlaps (like the RCS Segue Editor) but do not want to ruin the “normal” cue settings. For instance, on your show you may only want to play the first 5 minutes of Don McLean’s American Pie, but as it’s an 8 minute song, you still want the other DJs to be able to play it without your cue points upsetting their shows.
Yes, Charlie. I’d well understood the concept of playlist. Coming from RCS, I know how should work the mix point and the possibility to temporary change them (in a playlist).
But, even if I drag’n’drop the 2 files from the browser, without using the playlist file, the result is the same. My procedure is :
Open Mairlist
Drag & drop the jingle from the browser (13s duration)
Drag & drop the song from the browser
CTRL+P on the jingle (or click on the icon)
Set the startnext point to 11s
Turn mairlist in “AUTO” mode
PLAY on mairlist.
The jingle countdown displays 13s and the overlap occurs at 13s, not 11s…
I make a test with a french friend, on his computer, sending him my 2 files, and the .mld playlist. All is okay for him, the overlap occurs at 11s…
So, I will try to reinit the settings because I don’t know what I’m doing wrong, but it’s really frustrating… >:(
I appreciate that this is a really annoying problem! I hope we can help you to make everything work properly.
Can you please open the File Tagger (NOT full mAirList) and check the following in the File Tagger:
[ul][li]If any file has a Fade Duration set on its General tab, CHANGE this to ZERO.[/li]
[li]If any file has a CueOut point set, REMOVE it.[/li]
[li]If any file has both StartNext AND FadeOut set, REMOVE one of those two points. (Personally, I would keep FadeOut and remove StartNext.)[/ul]
Remember to SAVE the metadata (MMD) file after you make any changes.
Then close File Tagger, and if you made any changes, try the files in mAirList again and let us know whether this helped or not.
