Just found the Sound Solution “standalone” software, provided bij XDevel. I’ll give that a try. It captures the sound from one device and processes it to another. That could work
If you do indeed have the UltraDyne 9024 - I would steer clear of the Limiter feature, as it's pants. It only goes down to 500mS Release TimeIt [b]is[/b] a DSP9024: sorry for earlier mental confusion! And you are correct about its Limiter. :(
Does your FM transmitter have an in-built Limiter ?We've only just ordered it AFAIK, but I believe it does. Sorry I can't quote models etc. but we had another team specc'ing it and I'm not a transmitter buff anyhow.
you may wish to increase the Ratio on the Ultradyne bands just so that it's doing most of the work.Our Top Techie recently tested it with our existing out-of-the-ark JVC exciter and our current mixing desk, and he managed to achieve a hugely creditable no more than plus-or-minus 0.5dB level fluctuation arriving at the exciter, from desk outputs to the DSP9024 ranging from +30dB to about -35dB (deliberately! this [b]was[/b] an intentionally severe test).
Best of all, he hadn’t told the guy checking the exciter’s meter what he was about to do to the levels, so that’s kind of a ‘blind’ test.
Many thanks for all the tips, though!
BFN
CAD
…and I bet you can hear the sparrows chattering in the trees a mile away with that amount of make-up gain
Speaking of which, if you can, or when finances allow - You may like to put a Composer or other similar stereo compressor between the desk and DSP to act as an AGC (something the DSP lacks) - You can then back-off the multi-band processing a tad.
I’ve got a TC Electronic Triple C on my desk’s Record Bus, and if you can pick up a s/h one from eBay they are a very good 3-band processor and have a pretty decent limiter to-boot. Expect to pay between £100-150 for one, and they were over £500 when new.
Speaking of money and being extravagent with it - Check out the retail price of the TC Finalizer 96k… BBC Radio 1 (and many other UK stations) have those on the presenter’s microphone channel.
We have up to now used only a MicroComposerPro; the DSP9024 is our new processor, which we are planning on ‘fronting’ with the MC-PRO exactly as you suggested.
Though that MC-PRO is loaned (!) so we will need at some point to put in an alternative. In an earlier year, we had a LOVELY 4-channel KlarkTeknik job as part of the ‘loan kit’ from our local PA company, but somehow I just couldn’t persuade them to let us keep it!!!
BFN
CAD
Charlie:
SoundSolution seems to work fairly well, although I have recently had to set-up [b](the now free) MBL4[/b], and it's sister program: Sonos. The guy who wrote MBL also helped develope some of the Innovonics range.Why did you hide such a useful hint in a sentence near by? I found the link to that freeware in an other forum (where it was mentioned multiple times, but I seem to have ignored it all the time). After having downloaded and tested it, I am [i]high on emotion[/i] in the middle of the night!
So I posted this solution in a german thread here and was confused to see that you wrote about it much earlier…
Thank you very much so far. I will read your posts more precisely than before - sorry…
Regards, Uli
Sorry - I should have used bold Glad you’ve found it - Nice little tool, and I’ve seen a little FM service running MBL and Airomate (software stereo encoder+RDS) - Quite a cost saver, of course the downside is due to the processing delays - You can’t really monitor the final output in your headphones.
(...) of course the downside is due to the processing delays - You can't really monitor the final output in your headphones.This is true ..... however, this tool is very reliable, so for me a [i]pre[/i]-monitoring (Mixer) is okay when I know that MBL4 does all the rest for me in the background.
There is one thing that makes me wonder: Since even quiet intros of music files are levelled up, there seems to be no real fading. I have the impression that there are more “hard” changes between the music files. Perfect for automation, but…
And I have to learn not to leave the mic open for comments on a “music bed” (correct?) - better to open /close the mic. Otherwise the background noise will level up
Is this an experience due to MBL4 or happens that every time when I use a multiband compressor / limiter?
Sorry, this is a new method of working with music for me…
Uli
What you’re describing appears to be (correct me if I’m wrong) what’s known in the trade as “hunting”… This is where the ambient background noise falls within the threshold of the AGC, and is amplified in order to be processed. The trick is to set the AGC threshold at a nominal level - ie: not too sensitive. A range of 25dB is more than enough. Set the “AGC Rest” position mid-way, too.
If you have quite a high background noise on your microphone, you may wish to use a noise gate - Or upgrade to a mic channel that offers one. Using the Mic Input on a PC Soundcard is never going to produce a decent sound!
Being the loudest station on the dial isn’t really the true aim, the overall goal is to offer a sound that’s pleasing to listen to - and does not cause your listeners “fatigue” over long periods. Constant pumping/hunting and dips in the levels - as well as an extremely dense sound is a sure way to p*ss off your audience
the TC Finalizer 96k... BBC Radio 1 (and many other UK stations) have those on the presenter's microphone channel.>skritch< But…that's a [i]digital[/i] device, and microphones were [i]analogue[/i] devices the last time I looked? Though I suppose that places like Western House might use all-digital mixers >spit< nowadays…
Plus I have to say that if we could afford a box like the Finalizer (hahahahaha!), we WOULD use it in its intended role (i.e. replacing our DSP9024!).
BFN
CAD (Mr Analogue)
Well, it offers digital coupling - but has analogue in/outs, also. Agreed, it’s much better as a “final” processor (hence it’s name)…
Perhaps, Cad - if the rumours are true - You weren’t using that old rust bucket ship for the station, you could afford the TC (or is it a typical anorak rumour?!)
To bring back talk of VAC…
Does anyone know of an alternative to Virtual Audio Cable - especially so if free?
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